I had the pleasure of being interviewed by Karen Smith of Life Connections Academy. Here's the transcript.
Karen Smith: 00:00 Hi, this is Karen Smith from Life Connections Academy. I am so honored today to be joined by Mukkove Johnson and we're going to be talking about her new book, Mess to Majesty. Mukkove Johnson is a certified Christian life coach specializing in childhood emotional neglect recovery and healing emotional wounds. She lives in Alaska with her husband of 25 years and her four children. The oldest is 20 and the youngest is two. She's written three books. The first is Christmas is About Jesus: Family Devotions for December. Then Easter is About Jesus: Family Devotions for the Easter Season, and her latest book, Mess to Majesty. Let God Love You in Your Mess. Welcome, Mukkove.
Mukkove Johnson: 00:47 Hi Karen. Thank you for having me.
Karen Smith: 00:50 You're welcome. Well, why don't you...
I'm starting a group I don't want to lead.
I've been working on Mess to Majesty. In the book, I share stories from my life, my mess, that I have brought to His Majesty. One of those stories is about a season when I was leading a women's ministry in my church. The story focuses on how I let comparison keep me from growing because I was comparing my leadership style and my ideas to other people's leadership style and always finding myself short. I was deferring to someone else's style instead of having the courage to step out and try my own.
As I was writing this story, I realized I was still holding myself back from leading, which is where the introduction comes in -- I'm starting a group I don't want to lead.
That was the story I told a group of ladies about this time last year and for the last year. I want to be in the group and I want a place for community and growth, but I don't want to lead.
The group has done well. We're a group of 10...
When one of those who reclined at table with him heard these things, he said to him, “Blessed is everyone who will eat bread in the kingdom of God!” Luke 14:15 ESV
I started with there’s no fear at the table. Then I wanted to look at what's on the table but really got distracted by what the table was. This time I’m exploring what is set on our table.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23 ESV
He has been challenging me not to ask for peace or self-control. He has already set them before me on the table and within me by His Spirit. I need to cultivate them and let them out. He can’t give me more but He can teach me...
Since I wrote No Fear at the Table I have been meditating about what is on the table.
A banqueting table (Song of Solomon 2:4). A table set in the presence of my enemies (Psalm 23:5)!. A Passover table (Exodus 12). A Communion table (Matthew 26:26-28). The prelude of the table at the celebration feast of the wedding of the Lamb and His Bride, the church (Revelation 19:9).
What does it mean for it to be all these things? I’m not doing a deep theological study. These are my prayerful thoughts and what God is revealing to me as I listen and read His word.
A banqueting table is lavish, above and beyond. And it’s not just a banqueting table it’s a king’s, The King’s, banquet table. More than enough. Nicer than it “needs” to be. Everything about it is extraordinary. The quality, presentation – everything.
He sets this table for me right in front of...
“There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.”
1 John 4:18 KJV
I always felt condemnation when I heard that verse.
I thought it should be comforting and reassuring so I felt even more condemned.
I experience fear, therefore, I don’t have perfect love. There must be something wrong with me because I still experience fear.
Jesus is perfect love and in His presence, there is no fear. It was so comforting. I don’t need to get to a point where I have no fear. Maybe that’s not humanly possible. But I don’t have to. I just come back to love. I come back to the person of love.
I rested in that for a couple of days. On Sunday during worship, the songs came together to solidify the revelation. One line from a song says “Fear doesn’t stand a chance when I stand in Your...